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  Richard Rawe

  by Outaservice in

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  it was reported to me in an e-mail that richard rawe of soap lake, washington has died.. many of you might remember him and god rest his soul.. outaservice.

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  Does anyone know of any funeral or memorial services being planned for Mr. Rawe?

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  Dying to find out if you made it to Paradise

  by Juan Viejo2 in

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  i remember as a jw kid listening to a special talk about life after death by lester dugan, a circuit overseer whose mother attended our kingdom hall.

  i don't think he was our circuit servant (in fact i'm pretty sure he was not), but he would visit our hall about twice a year when he took time to see his elderly mom.. his talk was about life after death and achieving paradise through good works and staying active in the preaching work.

  after nearly 60 years, i remember very little of the bulk of his talk, but i do remember a couple of questions that he answered afterwards:.

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  Cold Steel - That's good to know. But what about my dog? Will she be transformed in an instant and join me? Life would just not be worth living if I didn't have my dog with me.

  All this time I thought every living thing will eventually die and be reabsorbed into the universe of mass and energy from whence we came. But your logical description has cleared up all of my confusion. You are a wise and educated person. I can hardly wait to meet you on the other side.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7E6sihLgdU

  JV
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  Contributions ,how the Society CONTROLS the funds of a congragation

  by raymond frantz in

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  i'm not sure if anyone has started a post about contributions recently ,but if there is an accounts servant here please free to correct me or shed some more light .what i'm about to say is 100% accurate and applies to congragations in britain (don't ask me how just ...join the dots).

  the society controls all the funds that are coming in the kingdom hall all of the time .the way this works out is as follows :you put any money in any of the contribution boxes and in the end all money are added to together and deposited to the congragation's bank account .the worldwide donations leave the account as a direct debit to the society every week and the rest stays in the account .now comes the interesting bit :once the account goes over 5000 we are instructed to send the rest to the society as a cheque and is held in their account for as long as the congragation doesn't needed back .this way all but 5000 are held in the society's account .any other experiences ?.

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  Several congregations that have asked for some of their excess funds to be returned to them have been urged by the Society to find other ways to get the funds they need. This should have been expected - once the money is firmly in the Society's accounts, they are loathe to release them back to the local Kingdom Halls.

  I recently received an email from one of my contacts who is an elder. He told me that the plumbing in the KH bathrooms was damaged during an earthquake and that some of the porcelain was cracked and pulled away from the wall. They'd gotten an estimate from a local plumbing company that came to about $3000. The accounts servant contacted the Society and asked for $3500 to be returned to their active Kingdom Hall expense account.

  The response he got was to refer the problem to the local RBC and have them resolve the issue. The RBC could probably find a JW plumber in the area who would do the work for free and that anything needing to be replaced could be purchased at a local Lowe's or Home Depot. The RBC also had access to otherwise good replacement or leftover plumbing parts removed from KHs that had been remodeled.

  Bottom line is that the Society did not want to give the KH their money back. Sounds like a scam to me...

  JV
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  Dying to find out if you made it to Paradise

  by Juan Viejo2 in

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  2. beliefs

  i remember as a jw kid listening to a special talk about life after death by lester dugan, a circuit overseer whose mother attended our kingdom hall.

  i don't think he was our circuit servant (in fact i'm pretty sure he was not), but he would visit our hall about twice a year when he took time to see his elderly mom.. his talk was about life after death and achieving paradise through good works and staying active in the preaching work.

  after nearly 60 years, i remember very little of the bulk of his talk, but i do remember a couple of questions that he answered afterwards:.

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  I remember as a JW kid listening to a special talk about life after death by Lester Dugan, a circuit overseer whose mother attended our Kingdom Hall. I don't think he was our circuit servant (in fact I'm pretty sure he was not), but he would visit our hall about twice a year when he took time to see his elderly mom.

  His talk was about life after death and achieving paradise through good works and staying active in the preaching work. After nearly 60 years, I remember very little of the bulk of his talk, but I do remember a couple of questions that he answered afterwards:

  Q. When a member of the 144,000 anointed ones dies, how are they transformed?

  Dugan: Since 1918 those who are anointed and die in faithfulness to Jehovah and Jesus will be transformed from their human shell directly into spirit and will ascend into heaven as Jesus did. Upon arrival, that chosen one will be seated next to Jesus and be gathered to the other chosen ones.

  Q. When someone with the earthly hope dies, how will they know if they made it through the resurrection and into paradise earth?

  Dugan: To them it will be an instant transformation as well. Because the "dead know nothing" when they are dead, during the period of their death they have no sensation of anything at all. So if they are faithful members of the earthly class, upon their death they will wake up to a paradise around them. It will seem immediate to them - as if they had not waited at all. What a wonderful blessing to those loved ones and those ancient worthies who served Jehovah faithfully. Imagine those Israelite soldiers who followed Joshua and David into battle against the enemies of Jehovah's kingdom; killed by a Hittite sword one minute and waking up in paradise the next.

  Q. So if one of our loved ones (those who are faithful) die from accident, disease, or old age - are you saying that to them there is no waiting for paradise?

  Dugan: In a sense, that is true. Think of life before you were born, whether that was thousands or even millions of years. To you everything began the day you were born. You were in your mother's womb alive, but unknowing - and then you are born and aware of your surroundings. That is the way it is for Jehovah's faithful followers when they die. The grave is like a womb holding them until their rebirth into paradise with a perfect body.

  He wrapped up his talk by assuring us all in the audience that we should not be too sad when one of our loved ones or "friends in the truth" dies. Yes, we will miss them, but for them the transformation will seem instantaneous. Unlike the Catholics that believe in holding places like Limbo and Purgatory, or places of eternal punishment like Hell, Jehovah's Witnesses know that death is not something to fear, but to look forward to - instant transformation from imperfect life in an awful world, to a perfect life in a perfect body in a garden like Eden.

  When Richard Dawkins was asked if (as an atheist) he was afraid of dying, he replied that he had not existed for billions of years and did just fine. Before he was born he felt no pain, no anxiety, no feelings at all. He figured that when he died that he would simply return to that same condition that he enjoyed before he was born.

  So for those of you who believe in life after death, if Dugan was right, then you should know instantly upon your death where you will end up. I figure it will be like the time I had to undergo major surgery that took well over an hour. The nurse that was managing my anathesia hooked me up and asked if I was ready. I figured that I would either wake up or I wouldn't. Either way would be painless. He tapped me on my clavical and said "have a nice rest." What seemed to be an instant I woke up in ICU in a recovery bed with my family all around telling me that everything went well and that I would be fine. To me it seemed as if I closed my eyes and then opened them a second later in an entirely different environment.

  JV
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  I am signing off....

  by Cagefighter in

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  might be back, might not.

  i really appreciate the historical information on the jw's this board allowed me to find out about.

  it really put things into perspective.

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  I'm sorry - but is someone taking attendance here on this forum? Do we have to check in every day? Do we get a tardy slip if we are late for a session?

  I remain totally confused by members of this great forum who have to announce that they are leaving for one reason or another. Yeah, there might be a legitimate reason once in a while. For example: a long time member might be ill and want to let us all know why they aren't going to be active any longer. We appreciate knowing why we won't be seeing their smiling avatar here anymore.

  It's nice when new members post a "Hi there! I'm here at last. This is who I am and where I've been.." post. It's good to know a little about our newest members.

  But when someone creates a new thread that says "I'm leaving because...":

  1. I think you are all evil apostates

  2. You hurt my feelers

  3. I didn't agree with something someone said

  4. I don't like your attitudes

  5. I've decided to go back to the Kingdom Hall

  6. I'm tired and need to take a break from all of this noise

  7. I'm going on vacation

  8. I'm giving up on the evil Internet

  9. Someone said something bad about OBVES

  10. I've decided to move to another forum where they love Jesus and believe in the King James Version of the Bible (it was "authorized," you know)

  If you are tired of this forum, then just go. Come back again if you want - or don't. If you need to take a break - take a break.

  Is it really necessary to try to make the rest of us feel bad about hanging around?

  Just go - and don't let the screen door slam behind you. Most of us will still be here when you decide to come back.

  JV
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  S.F. Giants vs. Detroit Tigers in World Series ! Who Do You Pick to Win ?

  by flipper in

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  i'm flyin' high right about now !

  my san francisco giants came back beat cincinnati 3 games to 2 after being down 2-0 and tonight they came back and beat st. louis 4 games to 3 after being down 3-1 !

  and we had tornados in northern california in a powerful storm while this was going down tonight !

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  I was going to say Giants in 4 games - but I was busy watching the last game...

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  Letter From Whitney's Mother

  by breakfast of champions in

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  just saw this on google news.

  link to letter here.. .

  dear family, i want to tell you that although this has been the worst of my lifes tribulations, that i am still standing.. the obvious reason is that jehovah is the faithful keeper of promises holding to his word that never, would his great love allow his precious children to be tested beyond what we could bear.

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  I wonder if the brother giving the funeral talk at Whitney's memorial service will give her more than the three minutes every other JW gets when they die?

  I wonder how her mother, father, husband, and siblings will feel when they hear the same old standard "sell-the-crowd-on-paradise" talk that you hear at JW funerals.

  It does appear that besides the usual service, the family (or "friends of") are planning a private memorial for closer friends and relatives.

  JV
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  KATU Portland - Article comments

  by tresdecu in

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  surprised i have not seen anyone over there....interesting discussions going on.

  as usual, ridicoulous comments by jws.

  http://www.katu.com/news/local/jonathan-holt-whitney-heichel-murder-175511261.html.

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  tresdecu -

  I added two comments on that thread. (I used my real name). I pointed to my article about Whitney (http://ex-jw.com/tragedy-in-gresham-oregon) and have had over 200 hits originating from that posting.

  There is a lot of arguing about doctrinal issues and the whole thing has veered away from anything supporting Whitney and her family.

  My comment was in response to an obvious JW girl who spewed a total lie about Ray Franz. Here is my segment of that thread:

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  " Angie Pangie 24 pts rjscmw People really should educate themselves about JW's. Don't just read the websites that support them. Make sure to read the book Crisis of Conscience by Raymond Franz. My in-laws are JW's and they are some messed up people.

  Timaaa Gonzales 20 pts That makes absolutely no sense. If you want to learn the truth about someone you don't go to their enemies. If you wan't to learn about someone or an organization you go to them first. This way you get the facts and not someones twisted view of them. Timaaa Gonzales 20 pts Raymond Franz was nothing more then a disgruntled JW. The fact that his movement is all but dead and gone is proof that he did not have divine backing. The fact that JW's is progressively moving forward as an organization and that millions have chosen to dedicate and live up to their dedication by serving as God's witnesses proves that God's spirit is upon them. John Hoyle 0 pts Timaaa Gonzales: Raymond Franz led no movements against the JWs. He did write two books about his experiences while part of the 1970s era Governing Body, but he never took the lead in the ex-JW movements. It does nothing for the memory of Miss Heichel to try to defend the Watchtower Society by passing on false information about those who have left the religion due to their own reasons of conscience. unknown 13 pts John Hoyle It also does nothing for the memory of Miss Heihel to defend Raymond Franz. John Hoyle 0 pts Angie Pangie: rjscmw Here is a link to a supportive article written about Whitney Heichel on a JW discussion website. There is much more to this story than meets the untrained eye: http://ex-jw.com/tragedy-in-gresham-oregon. We have all felt the loss of Whitney and grieve along with her family. " ------------------------------------------ "unknown" was awarded 13 points for that little jab back at me - and yet never said a thing about Timaaa Gonzales' jab and total lie about Ray? Geez... So yes, I tried to represent our side of the story briefly, but was not about to get into a cat fight over who was lying to the masses. JV
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  Have you ever worked with someone famous or relatives of any celebrity?

  by Iamallcool in

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  i have!

  i worked with hank aaron's daughter for 18 months.

  she was a sweet lady.

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  I worked for the telephone company in Hollywood in the late 1960s and early 70s. I installed and repaired phones at homes and apartments all over Hollywood, West Hollywood and Beverly Hills. I was enamored of celebrities and movie stars at first, but after a while they are just like everyone else - just customers. I must say, however, that there were a few standouts that I remember well:

  Repaired some phones at Burt Reynolds' home. This was right after his "Dan August" days. He was married to Judy Carne (the "Laugh-In" girl with the English accent). He was famous, but not yet a big star. He wasn't wearing his toupe.

  Had to put in a phone in a very difficult valley area in the Hollywood Hills for Liam Dunn. Lived in the very nice basement area of his mother's house. Didn't recognize him at first because of the roles he played. He was on TV all the time, played the mayor in "Blazing Saddles," was the judge in "What's Up Doc?" with Barbara Streisand, and played a small part in "Young Frankenstein." But he was in tons of TV shows over the years. He was only in his 40s when I met him, but he looked like he was 70.

  I did some work for Sonny and Cher when they just started. They had matching Mustangs with fake wood grain in the notches in the cars' sides. Sonny was very nice and Cher was extremely shy.

  Davey Jones of the Monkees and I crossed Hollywood Blvd. at Gower St. together. I was 5'10" and felt like I towered over him. He was going for some breakfast and asked me if I had any suggestions. I suggested he try Norm's coffee shop and then we walked the six or eight blocks together. We chatted and I really liked him. Very down to earth.

  I put in a phone for "Ukelele Ike," Cliff Edwards, in the care facility he was at just before he died in 1971. He had a long career as a singer and actor, but was best known for his voice work at Disney Studios. He played Jimminy Cricket and sang the most famous version of "When you wish upon a star" in "Pinocchio." A sweet man, he asked me to come back and just visit him sometime. He promised to play his guitar for me, but he died before I could get back to see him on my own time. He WAS Jimminy Cricket!

  There were so many - and I don't want to bore you. I helped the telephone crews that worked at Columbia, Paramount, and Goldwyn studios. I also worked on the old RKO lot (was Desilu at that time) where they made the "Mission Impossible" TV shows. Got to meet all of those folks. The big guy who rarely had any lines in the show was the friendliest to me, but all of the crew and actors were very pleasant. Just working inside the sound stages pulling cable (they had to be installed, moved, and removed after each production company had the soundstages). Saw a lot of commercials made at Goldwyn and met Barbara Feldon (Get Smart) and a very young Farrah Fawcett when they were just getting started.

  The most memorable celebrities I met were Mae West, Marlon Brando, Jack LaLanne, and Robert Culp.

  I would go to Mae West's penthouse apartment in the top floor of the building she owned on Rossmore Drive to repair a phone on occasion (long cords would get tangled). The apartment was decorated in white, with fuzzy white rugs and carpet. I only saw her a couple of times (she was quite old by then). She always had a young, handsome man, acting as her "assistant."

  Marlon Brando lived up in the Hollywood Hills. I only remember him for one thing. He was naked and wearing a long, heavy robe completely open in the front. He came off as gruff and unfriendly when I met him. He told me to "get to it, get it fixed, and get out."

  Besides Cliff Edwards, my favorites were Jack LaLanne and Robert Culp. Here are articles I wrote a few years ago for another website of mine. I think you will find them "educational" and somewhat different than the usual celebrity pieces found in fan magazines.

  http://justoneopinion.com/jack-lalanne-turns-95

  http://justoneopinion.com/robert-culp-r-i-p

  I had some good times in those days. Both Hollywood and the phone company are not what they were - and they are the worse for it.

  JV
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  Thinking of becoming a JW.

  by Kate82 in

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  hi,.

  i am new to here so please be bear with me.. i have always believed in god, but was never baptised, my parents wanted me to make up my own mind religon wise.. i am thinking of becoming a jw and am just needing some advice on how to do this, bible study and jw beliefs.

  also do jw say grace and how.. i am greatful of any help.. thanks.

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  Kate82 . . .

  Take a few minutes and read this testimony / article. A real story by a real JW.

  http://insidethewatchtower.com/families-and-children/a-testimony-of-faith/

  JV